“In 1968 there were 338 annulments, in

“In 1968 there were 338 annulments, in 2002 there were 50,000. Get used to it, Trads” – http://thenesciencentnepenthene.blogspot.com/2015/09/gk-chesterton-on-annulment-reform-and.html http://ow.ly/i/d1YKK

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10 Responses to “In 1968 there were 338 annulments, in

  1. I would tend to agree with Zippy that it’s likely that many more marriages are invalid than most people believe, but I also believe that the solution to this issue is further education on marriage, not annulments: https://zippycatholic.wordpress.com/2013/03/01/anulment-of-absolution/

  2. Dear Malcolm A little over a year ago my Son was married and the Priest that married him (an excellent young Irish Priest who is a friend of mine) told he and his fiancee that the seminary he was in was a complete joke when it came to the Faith and the Sacraments; It didn’t really teach the truth about marriage an contraception… and so the education has to be done in the Domestic Church for the shadow church really doesn’t give a damn about the sacraments but which sentient male Catholic has not known that reality for a very long time?

    We faithful flummoxed traditionalists were abandoned a LONG time ago and the only attention we get from Our Pope and Our Cross is when he looks at us and derisively gives us the rhetorical finger.

    So, we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

  3. drprice2 says:

    50,000 will be a quaint number by the time we’re done. After all, he believes that there are millions of invalid marriages, so we clearly need to have millions of annulments.

  4. Zippy says:

    The merciful solution to uncertain sacramental validity for (e.g.) baptism is a conditional baptism.

    The genuinely merciful (as opposed to falsely merciful) solution for uncertain sacramental validity of marriage is convalidation, not declarations of nullity.

    In my view declarations of nullity should only be given in cases where there is absolute certainty – resting in solid objective or at least third party evidence – that a marriage was never contracted. A more “lax” (laxity is not mercy in this kind of situation: it is the opposite of mercy) juridical process with a lower standard of proof than absolute certainty is guaranteed to make material adulterers out of many people. Many of these material adulterers are otherwise innocent (think of the never-married ‘spouse’ of someone who is in fact objectively already married to someone else, but who has a ‘lax’ but objectively false declaration of nullity in hand) — people who have a right to expect the Church not to lead them into actions involving gravely evil matter, but have been made into material adulterers through the actions of the tribunals of the Church.

  5. Zippy says:

    Also, our pastors are not acting as though they really believe that there are large numbers of invalid Catholic marriages.

    If they really believed that, we would see a full court press (as Malcolm suggests) to educate Catholics on the essentials of marriage – which any ten year old can understand – and to get out there and convalidate any marriages which might be suspect long before it gets to the tribunals.

  6. [FROM Amateur Brain Surgeon:]

    Dear Codg. ABS forgot to thank you for the boost; thanks.

    Also, Zippy makes some great and sensible suggestions re Annulments but in the local Palm Beach County Franchise of Dead Diocese, Inc. America, Deacons officiate/administer the Sacraments of Marriage and Baptism and so it is difficult to see Bishop and Priests studiously concerned with The Sacraments; and why ought they be everyone goes to Heaven anyways?

  7. ABS sometimes fancies that the conclave elected him just to see how how bad he would actually be; but it was a mean thing to do – sort of like placing Stephen Hawking at the top of a ski jump and expecting anything other than a complete and utter disaster.

    Given his track record, they must have known it was going to turn out this way, right?

  8. ABS:

    He’s The One They’ve Been Waiting For

    Sí, se puede!

    Hope and Change! https://www.facebook.com/PopeIsHope

  9. Holy Cannoli. OK, ABS is busting out the Chartreuse right now.

    You have seen that the Vatican its own self is soliciting jokes about the Pope?

    Dragging this Divinely-Constituted office down to the same level – beneath really – as an NGO has been a successful demolition project so far; and we know worse is coming.

  10. Brother Codg. Your remark that he is the one we they’ve been waiting for trigged a memory of what a well know Catholic once said:

    Joseph Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology

    <I….Does this mean that the Council should be revoked? Certainly not. It means only that the real reception of the Council has not yet even begun. What devastated the Church in the decade after the Council was not the Council but the refusal to accept it. This becomes clear precisely in the history of the influence of Gaudium et spes. What was identified with the Council was, for the most part, the expression of an attitude that did not coincide with the statements to be found in the text itself, although it is recognizable as a tendency in its development and in some of its individual formulations. The task is not, therefore, to suppress the Council but to discover the real Council and to deepen its true intention in the light of the present experience. That means that there can be no return to the Syllabus, which may have marked the first stage in the confrontation with liberalism and a newly conceived Marxism but cannot be the last stage. In the long run, neither embrace nor ghetto can solve for Christians the problem of the modern world. The fact is, as Hans Urs von Balthasar pointed out as early as 1952, that the “demolition of the bastions” is a long-overdue task.

    Exposing the flock to the wolves, then, was not only a good idea but a necessary one?

    The 1907 Catholic Encyclopedia tells us that the Pope is the principle of unity and stability but that principle has not only clearly been abandoned, it has been supplanted by the desire to destroy and inculcate instability (surprises) and division (the merciful vs the Pharisees) within the One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

    Cui bono?

    Revolutionaries.

    ABS is likely way off here (he usually is) but he thinks there is something more than meets the eye (other than convenience or comradeship) in the choice of Franciscus to live in Domus Sanctae Marthe in that that was the venue where the revolutionaries at Vatican Two met to plan and strategise.

    Take that choice and combine it with his vestments, accepting that crucifix, cavalier approach to the Mass, the love of “The White Crucifixion” by Chagall, his washing of the feet of Muslim girls on Maundy Thursday, his constant demand we be open to surprises, his denigration of traditional devotions, his noxious insults directed at trads, his weird sermons, his repeated interviews with the atheist, the regular sleep-overs in Sanctae Marthae by his Rabbi buddy, etc etc and what is one to conclude?

    Just thinking out loud about semiotics, brother…

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