Catholic and Enervating It!

“So That No Thought of This Pope’s, No Matter How Stupid, Should Ever Go Unpublished Again!”

“Did the Pope Just Negate My Vocation: 12 Things to Know and Share” by Jimmy Akin

“The Pope Is Right and Radical Reactionary Rabbitrads Are Wrong: I’m Done” by Dave Armstrong

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About The Codgitator (a cadgertator)

Catholic convert. Quasi-Zorbatic. Freelance interpreter, translator, and web marketer. Former ESL teacher in Taiwan (2003-2012) and former public high school teacher (2012-2014). Married father of three. Multilingual, would-be scholar, and fairly consistent fitness monkey. My research interests include: the interface of religion and science, the history and philosophy of science and technology, ancient and medieval philosophy, and cognitive neuroscience. Please pray for me.
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17 Responses to Catholic and Enervating It!

  1. c matt says:

    An apologetic mind is a terrible thing to waist.

  2. c matt says:

    I meant waste – although in Shea’s case, both fit.

  3. Murray says:

    Nothing from the professionals yet. Fortunately, the Catholic Answers Forum members have come up with what I expect will become the Approved Exegesis.

    Quoting the Holy Father:
    “So many past controversies between Christians can be overcome when we put aside all polemical or apologetic approaches and seek instead to grasp more fully what unites us, namely, our call to share in the mystery of the Father’s love revealed to us by the Son through the Holy Spirit.”

    TimothyH writes: The pairing of “polemical” (which means harshly critical) with “apologetics” suggests that the pope is referring to …nasty, sniping behavior.

    Witness the awesome power of the Mottramist Decoder Ring! Now me, I would have thought the all/or in all polemical or apologetic approaches implied a complete disavowance of both argumentative and irenic approaches to conversion, but it seems we can safely assume that the Holy Father really meant to use and/or, as in all polemical and apologetic approaches, to discourage a very narrow range of obnoxious apologetics.

    Granted, this still leaves Mark Shea out in the cold, but sacrifices must be made!

  4. Alan says:

    I am so much happier when I don’t read what Pope Awesome I has to say. Apologetics actually work, because it’s about Truth. And people are starving for it.

  5. Tamsin says:

    Has anyone heard anything from the Pope lately on death, judgment, hell, or heaven?

    So.

    Okay.
    Luther won.
    I can stand it.
    I would like to understand it.
    It’s not what I thought I was signing up for.

  6. William Peirson says:

    My main problem with Pope Francis’s wildly inconsistent actions and opinions is that he makes them so consistently!

    Surely there’s no new, grave sin from recent years that we the Church are doing that would grace us by God with a Pope “less than ideal” for the media age. Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to receive Communion with my fellow Catholics, 80% of which haven’t had confession in over a year in direct violation of the Church’s precepts and… say! Did you hear about that new outdoor Mass they’re having next week? I hear the extraordinary ministers are already blessing the red solo cups they’re going to use. Gotta go to that’n!

  7. Proph says:

    TimothyH at CAF is a notorious lefty hack. His argument is especially stupid since it depends on the conflation of “polemics” with “nastiness,” a conflation obviously belied by the pairing of “polemical” with “apologetical” — i.e., contextually, both terms are being used in their formal rhetorical sense. In this sense, polemics simply means exposing falsehood, while apologetics means defending truth. What Francis is saying is not “don’t be a dick,” he’s saying “don’t expect to make converts by talking about the faith.” It’s true, in a sense, but not for the reasons he thinks it is: it’s true because most people just aren’t going to convert, because modernity is a startlingly effective antidote to comprehending Catholicism’s claims. But it’s false in the sense he means it, because not talking about the faith but instead sharing how personally meaningful our special faith journey together yada yada yada, has been the catechetical paradigm for the last 50 years, and it’s what’s given us the state of the Church we have today (including Buenos Aires, where huge proportions of his flock abandoned the Church for Pentecostalism, which will always beat us at the talk-about-your-feelings game).

  8. If Pope Francis said in an interview that Mary is the fourth person of the Trinity, I’ve no doubt the Patheo$ crowd would take to their blogs to excoriate anyone who disagreed with Francis as being more evil than Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Palpatine, and the Dark Lord Sauron rolled into one.

  9. Tony Jokin says:

    As odd as this sounds, the clip made me want to see Aliens again lol.

    But yea, I guess apologists like Dave Armstrong and others (sadly) need to delete their blogs ASAP. I wonder how Dave Armstrong will handle this.

  10. Tony, it’s always a good time to see Aliens!

    As for apologists like Armstrong, I already showed my expectations in my satirical article link. #derpitude 😉

  11. Alan says:

    It really is insulting to have so many people make excuse after excuse, to say the man is saying something other than he is saying. It is an impoverished form of fundamentalism, because at least fundamentalists can point to a principle. Instead, they all cling to an ego cult nurtured by the media. The man can literally say anything he wants and they will defend it.

    Armstrong’s blog is an embarrassment. He was ranting in defense of francis that this mother of eight by c-section did something bad. He deserves a “franciscan” punch in the face for insulting a mother.

  12. Sure enough, Shea has unburdened himself of the obvious solution this time:

    “No human being can convert another. That’s the Spirit’s job.

    “If [Aye, but there’s the rub!] by ‘focus on difference’ Francis means ‘indulge endless cu[l]ture war bullshit’ [such as Humanae Vitae? Catholic Social Teaching? Papal infallibility? Sola scriptura? Ahem?] I agree a thousand percent. Saying ‘I agree with Peter’ is only ‘focusing on differences’ in the culture war bullshit world of panic-stricken Francis haters. The rest of us call it ‘unity with the Church’.”

    Too bad he forgot to render the proper exegesis of the pope’s rejection of all “apologetical approaches”. Perhaps another day?

  13. Tamsin says:

    Hello Codgitator, seriously, it would be nice if a smart person could compare/contrast the, um, soteriology of Francis and Luther. How are we justified? And, does Francis think the Mass is anything other than a Communion Service?

  14. Tamsin, I know exactly what you mean. I’ve suspected for a long time that he’s basically a Lutheran, with a hefty dose of orthodox Jewish rabbi. He’s fixated on the experiential/psychological tendency of Protestantism, as opposed to the objective and sacramental nature of Catholic teaching.

  15. Mighty Joe Young says:

    funny as hell, bc

    MJ can not say that his faith and that of Francis is the same

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