And wave ’em like you just don’t care…

Pope Attends Charismatic Prayer Service To Experience What Torture Feels Like


2014 – “There was a lot of emotion.” / “Who am I to judge?”


1942 – “Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta: ab homine iniquo et doloso erue me.”

Pick your flavor, I guess. Either way, relax, bro. God doesn’t care about the quality of our worship. (Or maybe that’s just most bishops.) It doesn’t hurt anyone, and it makes people happy. Right?

I suspect one objection will be that this is an unfair comparison* because the gathering in 2014 was not a Mass. In fact, though, as far as I can tell, the Mass was celebrated by Cdl. Rylko moments before Pope Francis arrived–which is to say, moments before the crowds went wild.

Another objection will probably be that the event in 2014 was for “charismatic” Catholics (true), whereas the Mass in 1942 was just for Catholics in general. This rejoinder is piffle, however, in light of Pope Benedict XV’s admonition in Ad beatissimi apostolorum:

24. It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself.

Oops, there I go again, heeding past popes (and he’s not even a saint!). I need to keep reminding myself that What’s Happening All The Time Right Now is all that good Catholics need to be concerned with.

* HT to Chris Jackson

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13 Responses to And wave ’em like you just don’t care…

  1. Reblogged this on Catholicboyrichard 2.0 and commented:
    As a Roman Catholic with a definite but carefully charismatic leaning, I think this is raucous and revealing. AND FUNNY:). We surely need to learn the difference between authentic spiritual gifts, which our Church teaches and promotes, and rightly so, and the kind of mindless charismania that prevails within so many circles of the movement. If only we could realize that the confection of the Eucharist during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass was and is the “most charismatic moment,” bar none, that we can experience and later partake in through reception of that same Eucharist, and that the proper response for such a moment is silence rather than “tongue talking” during the Consecration, that would be at least a great start. All movements, including the more charismatic elements of the Church, need to start and finish with Jesus in the Mass and Eucharist, re-presented to us for our “daily bread.” So often this is totally missed by both charismatic and non-charismatic Christians. Our life begins and ends with the Sacraments. It is there that the Holy Spirit is released to us as believers. Sadly it took me 35 years to learn that. And I am not about to give it up for some hip-swaying praise orgy.

  2. Phew. Finally, a new precedent. ABS has been Jonesing for a new one. One knows this Papal precedent will become the new continuity for if some subsequent Pope does not appear at this event, he will be perceived as slighting those folks and that will lead to bad feelings.

  3. c matt says:

    Codg, I have to disagree with you here. They were just doing cool-down, post Mass calisthenics – you know, at 76, Pope Francis needs to cool down and stretch so he doesn’t cramp a muscle. Safety first.

  4. [slaps forehead] Phew! Thank you for reminding me! I’m obviously trapped in my Eurocentric, patriarchal, bourgeois ideology. This clearly is the way to go. #becauseEnergy

  5. Wouldn’t it be something if they were actually closer to God than we are? Wouldn’t it be something?

  6. Jason says:

    Well Tom then they would be “closer to God” than pretty much every Catholic Saint who ever lived. Although I do seem to remember footage of Saint Pio flailing about like an imbecile and muttering gibberish. But my memory may be faulty there.

  7. I, for one, welcome the new uh…. tradition. I can’t wait for others to wave their hands during Mass like they just don’t care. It’ll make it more awkward for them when I clasp my hands together in reverent prayer. Especially since I’m not the shy sort. We can call it a “Prayer-in” protest.

    Modicum of seriousness: I think this stuff only works when you’re very young and have yet to sin seriously enough in your life to approach the Eucharist in reverence and fear. Given our current Church, that moment after sin is when these dancers will go out, never return to Church, but remember the days “fondly.”

    And let’s be honest, it doesn’t work at all. You want to have a Jesus style workout? I’m 100% sure a backyard or gym can accommodate you and under that respect probably would only be a good. Or would giving two hours of your life per week be too much of a sacrifice?

  8. Augustine Thomas says:

    Let’s not forget that the Protestant Heresy led to the Secularist Apostasy.

  9. Yes Jason, that is exactly right! It really would be amazing! Perhaps a miracle… If they were “closer to God” not just of the saints and martyrs, but of us as well!!! That would truly be something.

  10. @Augustine Thomas
    Yes, we should never forget that divisions within the body of Christ led to deeper divisions and then to heresy and then to the Secularist Apostasy. Division is such a tragedy. I am glad we are not like them.

  11. Tony Jokin says:

    They say a picture is more than a thousand words. So this was my reaction to seeing this video 😀

    I always thought Charismatics were a bit out there. This just confirms my stereotype.

  12. Well, it can not be denied that the Charismatics are welcomed with open arms by the Catholic Hierarchy in ways different than the Catholic Hierarchy welcomes those who simply prefer to worship as did their Fathers, Grandfathers, Great Grandfathers etc etc

    It seems the modern tradition of the protestants are welcomed, protected, and encouraged whereas a much longer Catholic tradition is not.

    One understands the necessity of remaining safe in the Caves of Covadonga (FSSP, ICK, etc) as the Universal Solvent, Ecumenism, dissolves that which came before V2 and in its place there is the welcoming of the new movements fit for the dignity of man.

  13. Danielius says:

    Well, this ain’t no Tango Mass, Puppet Mass or Beach-ball-on-The-High-Altar-Mass! Ah, it has been a long journey for me – I remember vividly encountering my first reports of Clown Masses. tear-in-the-eye

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