I see that I hung up my gloves just in time…

It’s clear that this papacy has sloughed off all its former capacity to confuse and scandalize faithful Catholics, so I’m glad I’m no longer spending time analyzing it.

For, if I were still commenting on This Pope, I’d be searching in vain for “material.”

There’s just nothing to be alarmed at, and the obvious forecast is smooth sailing.

“It’s all good,” as they say.

We can finally celebrate with equanimity the indisputable fact that the Barque of Peter is being steered by a transparent and unflinchingly orthodox shepherd in Rome.

Just thought I’d share that warm-and-fuzzy, like a docile, well-formed Catholic should.

I remain,

Bat-like Christian

P.S. Anyone out there interested in a used copy of Denzinger?

Apparently, it’s obsolete.

P.P.S. Here’s a fitting coda that has come up in conversation more than a few times in the recent past:

“16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, 17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. … 1 I charge thee, before God and Jesus Christ, who shall judge the living and the dead, by his coming, and his kingdom: 2 Preach the word: be instant in season, out of season: reprove, entreat, rebuke in all patience and doctrine. 3 For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: 4 And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables. 5 But be thou vigilant, labour in all things, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry. Be sober.” — 2 Timothy 3, 4

But perhaps that’s just me being obsolete again.

P.P.P.S. Chills up my spine, care of a colleague: 

“The Protestant doctrine and that of the schismatic Greeks are to spread everywhere…. The Little Black Man in Rome, whom I see so often, has many working for him without their clearly knowing for what end…. I see the Little Black Man in his own country committing many thefts and falsifying things generally….” — Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich, Oct 1, 1820

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27 Responses to I see that I hung up my gloves just in time…

  1. Danielius says:

    What’s the big deal, surely “a little bread and wine does no harm”? …why is the water level rising? Gulp. Gulp. Gulp.

  2. Loneliest Place in Rome says:
  3. Dear Brother. Pax tecum…Whoever is sending you these, um, things reputed to be visions by Blessed A.C.E. is no friend.

    Her visions are not regarded as worthy by most commentators owing to who it was she was speaking with.

    For example, a very reliable collection of private revelations and visions – “Trial, Tribulation, & Triumph Before, During, and After Antichrist” by Desmond A. Birch does not have her name in its Index and I have read (and greatly marked-up) the entire book and I dont remember even one vision of hers included in that extensive review of credible private revelations and prophecies that have been approved by H.M. Church.

    Of course, her visions are endlessly repeated by the schismatics and sedes for their polemical value but unless Vern Troyer has fathered a chid with Lil’ Kim I think the little black man thingy is safe to ignore.

    Notice, she did not identify him as a Jebbie (one who wears black) but as a little black Pope

  4. …but as a little black man

  5. susan says:

    ahhhh, bornagain, clearly a freudian slip. Like Caiaphas, the truth seems to have passed your lips against your will.

    and btw…did ya happen to notice the ‘Blessed” at the front of her name?…The Dolorous Passion carries both a nihil obstat and an imprimatur. Nice try.

  6. I am aware that her writings are not included under her cause for canonization. The accuracy of her visions, however, does not depend on their being cited by favored authorities, but on whether they obtain and are from God. To wit, her vision of the House of Our Lady was accurate enough to guide priests to its discovery, as I’m sure you know. In the ensuing years, moreover, popes have given noteworthy endorsements to the authenticity of the house, which in turn gives an endorsement to the reality of the visions by which it was discovered. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Virgin_Mary In addition, Bl. A.C.E. appears to have foreseen our dual papacy and the pope’s change of residence. The upshot is that A.C.E. has a lot more going for her credibility than she has against it, and this little sinner is open to any guide whom Holy Mother Church has honored as blessed.

    Meanwhile, I find it odd–yet tactically understandable–that you would zero in on the most oblique appendix in this post, as if it were that coda which prompted this post. You’re well withing your rights to miss the forest for the trees. It’s all the rage these days, in fact. I understand that you’re all about gourmet tomatoes, post-conservative happy thoughts, and Lil’ Licit Collegiality at this point in your life, but I’m just learning to stretch my legs as I take a wide-open-eyed look at the Barque of Peter, barnacles and all, and how I am to raise my young family under such conditions.

    As always, then, thank you for your prayers.

    Here’s to hoping one of us gets a call from Fr. Bergoglio.

  7. Mary Griffin says:

    And if you had been with the Israelites at the Red Sea with Pharoh’s army behind you, how would you have felt? Would you have joined in with the Israelites and condemned Moses for bringing you to destruction? Or would you have done what Moses commanded, “Stand still and see the salvation of The Lord.” Do we walk by faith or by sight? Do we believe Jesus Christ when He said He would never allow the gates of hell to prevail against His Church? Do we believe Jesus Christ when He gave the Keys to the Kingdom to Peter, or do we think that Our Lord really messed up?

    I am going to stick with Sister Lucy of Fatima, “”He that is not with the Pope is not with God, and he that wants to be with God, has to be with the Pope.”

  8. Dear B.C. Growing my own heirloom tomatoes (and other vegetables) is a joy and a way for me to grow closer to God and it is true that Grace cleared my Ideological infection but I was unaware that being a happy Christian rendered me suspect of blindness.

    That aside, there is reason for concern re her visions. Saints Theresa of Avila and John of the Cross taught that divine intervention, in the form of private revelations/prophecies etc, are not rare nor is it rare that among such phenomena illusion and deception exists which is why they insisted that there is the requirement for ecclesiastical discernment of the phenomena.

    Well, we have the negative ecclesiastical discernment as regards these visions.

    As regards her visions of what you prefaced as a thing giving you chills, there is only one Pope – not two – and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI has addressed that error publicly; and there ain’t a black pope anywhere to be seen as of yet.

    Finally, firstly it was because you wrote about being chilled is the reason I responded.I am not happy when I see friends unhappy and so I try to address that which is making them unhappy.

    As for me, I am quite a happy Christian Catholic who is choosing to walk in Faith and joy with my Pope.

    O,and to do such a thing is Catholic Tradition.

    Pax tecum, friend

  9. Mary Griffin says:

    I see I got a thumbs down from someone. I don’t know who it is, but I find it very disturbing that Catholics attack me for supporting the Church and the Holy Father. Why is it that there are Catholics who think that loyalty means being disloyal to Christ and His Vicar? I believe Our Lord when He said the Church could never mislead me. If you don’t believe that, then how can you call yourself a Catholic? Those who separate themselves from the Church, who refuse to recognize the authority of the Magesterium, are called Protestants.

  10. Marietta says:

    Mary,

    Blessed ACE’s visions have been approved by bishops, priests, and confirmed by her various Farther confessors in her place and time – that in itself constitutes Church’s approval, if you haven’t known it.

    But that was not why she was declared Blessed by the Church. Her visions were beside the point – the point being her heroic virtues and holiness. Her love of God and service to the Church and various groups of people. Therefore the Church neither promoted nor condemned her books. You are wrong to outright discredit them. Read her two-volume biography and see for yourself.

    The main objection to her writings was that she had used a secretary, Clement Brentano, to record her visions. Dissenters suspected that Brentano must have garnished some of the texts, but that, too, would not have been possible, because members of the clergy were present during her ectacies

    Also, in the book (autobiography) Brentano himself was seen bitterly complaining that ACE was constantly being disrupted by visitors and he was getting impatient with such disruptions. If he had doctored the texts, those unpleasant differences and outright quarrels between him and ACE would have been sanitized. Therefore it is reasonable that all that was recorded was what actually took place, including the visions, even at the expense of Brentano’s reputation being tarnished.

  11. Branch says:

    I have been wondering why it is that there are Catholics who cannot make the distinction between the Faith as such and the office of the Papacy as such, an a particular pope’s personal expression of faith in and through his time with that office.

  12. Marietta says:

    “If you don’t believe that, then how can you call yourself a Catholic? Those who separate themselves from the Church, who refuse to recognize the authority of the Magesterium, are called Protestants.”

    Mary,
    Pope Francis is not ALL of the Magisterium. The treasury of Church teachings started long, long, long, before Jorge Mario Bergoglio was born. Vatican Press Office itself said last year, on explaining Pope Francis interview with Scalfari, that it’s not Denzinger.

    It’s the Papacy itself (the Papacy is an institution first, before it’s a person) not necessarily the person that is the authority. Read Roberto deMattei to see what “Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia” means – and that’s what Sister Lucy means.

    Pax et bonum,
    Marie

  13. Tony Jokin says:

    What a bad analogy.
    A correct analogy would be the following:-

    After crossing the red sea, the ten commandments and 40 years of wandering, Moses suddenly says “God just spoke with me and I realize now that all the laws and stuff were crap. The main thing is to just do works of charity. That Golden calf worship wasn’t that bad too and I overreacted at the time. I was too authoritarian.”

    Do you think Israelite should have rebelled then? I think they should have.

    Also, maybe it will help if you understand that “having a bad Pope” is not in anyway against the promise of Jesus. The sooner you learn that the better.

  14. Tony Jokin says:

    When a person says follow the Church, they mean follow the teachings of the Church and her laws designed to safe guard the truths in the teachings.

    But YOU think it means the same thing as following the style, emotions, speeches, interviews, musings, dreams, the spirit of the Pope, the Bishops and priests. I believe this is what you do and you think anyone who is not on board with you is a “Protestant”. That is an error.

    If you were to comb through history, you will find plenty of Popes, Bishops and Priests that made really bad decisions that not only gave scandal and made it difficult for Catholic living BUT ALSO lead to schisms and spread of heresy (condoning by silence).

  15. Tony Jokin says:

    To be fair, I think with Bl. Anne Catherine Emmerich there is controversy over her visions because the accounts we have were written down by another writer (I forget his name).

    So the problem I think is that there could be actual parts of her visions in the writings but also stuff added by the writer.

    Also, given the situation, it seems more likely there is a little white man doing a lot of damage in Rome (given how fluffy we have all become here in North America and Europe) than an African or Asian (who are relatively speaking much more firm in the opposition of evil and insistence of doctrine).

  16. Tony Jokin says:

    bornacatholic,

    Did PEB XVI say that the particular vision was an error? I am completely unaware of it. Can you provide a reference please?

  17. Tony Jokin says:

    EDIT: Oops, I forgot to add South America and Australia in the list 😀

    But overall, I think from the visions what I can gather is that there is victory at the end. As for whether there is tribulation to precede it, well, I don’t think a vision is needed anymore given the situation haha.

    I think one of the major issues today is that it seems incredibly hard for some people to accept there is tribulation.

  18. Dear. Tony. Agreed. And the vast majority of private revelation (all of it?) is conditional; that is, thus and such will happen if people don’t turn from sin…

    Of course people are at liberty to believe these or other private revelations but there has been no ecclesiastical discernment resulting in a positive evaluation of these putative visions.

    Dear Susan. These visions are not part of the Dolorous Passion and so I have no idea how that and your sly “nice try” are in any way connected.

  19. Tony Jokin says:

    Well, people are clearly not looking like they are turning away from sin anytime soon. If anything, more and more sins are being normalized and spread through legislative means and well planned social engineering (advertisements, movies, music etc). I think it’s safe to say that whatever chastisement was coming is probably going to come and perhaps it might be worse if anything.

    The Pope today in a sense is the a product of this very society. His imprudence and lack of respect for doctrine or Church traditions and wisdom of saints and Popes before him is just an extension of the social conditioning. We already had priests and Bishops like that and it was natural that we will one day have a Pope like that too. We can expect much worse in the future unless something drastically changes.

    All of this is not really based on any prophecy. They are simply conclusions based on common sense + empirically observable facts.

    So I think we live in a time where the prophetic value of the vision to the extent of how bad it can get is really not useful. We are already in a mess. I think the reason why traditionalist tend to quote such visions is because they find many others in the Church denying that we are in a mess and heading toward a deeper mess (something I presume you are doing as well?).

  20. OK, I am done waiting (No, not dumb waiter). I was being patient to see in anyone else would try and explain the meaning of this putative vision, which I do not accept as authentic.

    If I did accept the vision as authentic, I would not conclude she was talking about today but, rather, that she was talking about Pope Saint John Paul II and Fr Pedro Arrupe,, who was Sec. Gen. of the Jebbies.

    The Sec. Gen. of the Jebbies is known as The Black Pope.

    The weirdo, Malachi Martin, has an interesting tale to tell and which tale would fit like a dove tail joint with this putative vision but those who oppose the Vicar of Christ will not accept this most reasonable of explanations.

    C’est la vie. Here is Malachi:

    http://tinyurl.com/n8q5z2g

  21. Loneliest Place in Rome says:

    “In order for the Pope and the Catholic Church to be ‘taken out of the way’ as the only moral force capable of restraining the rise of the Antichrist in this world, not a single doctrine need be denied. It is only required that truth be relatively silenced, priorities be inverted, diplomacy be emphasized over the bold proclamation of the truth, and evil be engaged in dialogue. During the past 45 years, which saw a profound and widespread dissolution in all other areas of Catholic life, the Church’s Pro-Life teaching remained the final bulwark against the world – the one thing boldly proclaimed and not subject to the eviscerating effect of diplomacy and ecumenical dialogue. It now appears to be undergoing the final decay.”

    James Larson, “The Final Decay” (http://www.traditioninaction.org/Questions/WebSources/B_316_Final%20Decay%20-%20James%20Larson.pdf)

  22. Note well: you implicitly recognize that (current) life in the Church is akin to the Israelite exile. I criticize not the Lord but the obfuscatory liberalism of so many prelates. You know as well as I do that some were struck down for spreading evil during the exile. You just choose not to call evil evil. I am with the pope, when I can get a bead on him, that is. He certainly doesn’t make it easy to keep pace with him. Bottom line is, I mean well, I’m seeking the Lord, so… who are you to judge? 😉

  23. I don’t know who down-voted you, though I’m surprised you would notice something so trivial. My hunch is that the down-vote came from someone as tired as I am of your whitewashing of obvious defects in many areas of Church polity and practice these days. The irony is that your “loyalty” smacks of the very “triumphalism” which this pope derides: All is well, all is golden, all is smooth, peace, peace! Your positions reminds me, metaphorically speaking, of someone who is scandalized by the fact that Christ farted just like the rest of us. Ordination is not magic, as Pope Francis, reminds us, and so pointing out where various errors have taken root in the Church is just as Catholic as saying, “Jesus, open a window, that stinks.”

  24. Because latent Nestorianism.

  25. ^ Ding ding ding. We have a winner. “His imprudence and lack of respect for doctrine or Church traditions and wisdom of saints and Popes before him is just an extension of the social conditioning.”

  26. One subjective lay impression of a vision is not a disproof. Just say that you don’t accept the vision as having any merit. Don’t presume that you have any ecclesial backing to discount it. As I’ve noted, if anything, on balance, she has been given more implicit papal validation than rejection.

    BTW, mentioning your tomatoes was not a dig; just a symbol of where you are in life compared to where I am. You’re still my dear brother, despite all these little scuffles and confusions.

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